After contacting GBRTT (Transition Team), I have been informed of their intention to create a new livery. Well Id have thought it might be GBR Northern or GBR Southern. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have decided to take a step back towards a national rail network with the launch of Great British Railways (GBR). Particularly if they are just vinyls on white painted trains. [3] Goods (freight) services are operated by a number of companies, the descendants of those created during the 1990s privatisation. [14] After this date, the passenger versions of Class 37 and 47, as well as Class 50, were routinely outshopped in this livery. Apple Green. Not so much the modern LNER though. It may not display this or other websites correctly. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I think you are mixing up ownership with some form of ideological uniformity. The anniversary of the Battle of Hastings which took place in 1066 was also used in publicity for the line. For 2mm/N equivalents, change the start of the reference number FRH4 for FRH2. The first and second MKC signs are pretty classy and look good. Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. The coaches for the XP64 train were painted in a slightly lighter version of what would eventually become Rail Blue, with a 44-inch-wide (1,100mm) Pale Ivory stripe centred on the passenger windows, and brown underframe. No complaints really over the Rail Alphabet, I even like seeing it on old BR signage that still exists here and there. Then theres the question of livery. [7], Under Network Rail, all stations are formally in public hands since 2014, but only 20 (mainly large termini and central stations) are managed directly by it. Originally a trading brand of the Railway Executive of the British Transport . In 1986 the British Railways Board divided its operations into a number of sectors (sectorisation).The sector responsible for long-distance express trains assumed the brand-name . JavaScript is disabled. In the early years the colour faded quite badly, becoming lighter and paler with time although this problem had been overcome by the late 1970s. 3,609. thomalex said: One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. it remains to be seen if their just gonna bite the bullet and conform the entirety of rolling stock on the GBR network to a nice Blue and Cream livery. I wonder if we might actually see things like "Northern - by Great British Railways" rather than one single overarching branding. It's the name of the island ffs. The first break in the uniformity of Rail Blue came in 1976 with the introduction of the first InterCity 125 (HST). The new British Rail "double arrow" symbol on locomotives (or leading vehicle as was the case on multiple unit stock) and the vehicle number and other ancillary markings written in the Rail Alphabet typeface were other integral parts of the livery. From 1956 maroon (similar to crimson lake) was adopted as the standard colour for coaching stock, with corridor coaches lined and non-corridor plain initially: later on all stock was lined. [8], Class 501 train in Rail Blue calls at Harrow and Wealdstone, Class 416 train in British Rail blue/grey livery calls at Dalston Kingsland station. Thanks. Why? [7]. This grey panel finished just short of the end of the coach leaving a small amount of Rail Blue which then continued round onto the end of the coach. All Class 42 "Warship" class diesels were delivered in green but some Class 52s were delivered in maroon to match the then-standard coaching stock livery. Make the name central and it'd be perfect. No.47373 in revised Railfreight "red stripe" livery. It really does look dire. Variants to the national brand will be developed to refect the English regions, Scotland and Wales, while emphasising that the railway is one network serving the whole of Great Britain. They retained this livery for some years, before being painted in Rail Blue when that became the norm. [2] It was a dark, greyish blue tone which hid the effects of dirt well. Infrastructure, passenger, and freight services were separated at that time. Originally running from 1923 until 1948 when it became British Railway, LNER returned to the route of famous for the Flying Scotsman in 2018 when the . British Railways (BR), which from 1965 traded as British Rail, was a state-owned company that operated most of the overground rail transport in Great Britain from 1948 to 1997. Finsbury Park. Nothing to bring it all together. Rail alphabet had the advantage of being clear, legible and was pretty much consistently applied. Western. European paint code RAL5020 ("Ocean Blue") is a good match to Rail Blue. The concession contract system will be the long-term replacement for the previous system of passenger rail franchising run by the Department for Transport, which became unsustainable early in 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic. British Railways was formed in 1948, it was divided into geographical regions loosely based on the pre-war Big Four company areas, Scotland became a region on its own and the former LNER area was divided into North Eastern and Eastern Regions. It's the name of the island ffs. As part of this work, the team engaged with industry through a formal call for evidence. [9][10] Several other Class 47 locomotives, some Class 31s, and even some DMU cabs, were subsequently also painted by Stratford with grey roofs, the variation becoming something of a trademark for the depot. On 10 June 1986, British Rail launched Network SouthEast, an organisation designed to cut across the traditional regional boundaries and deliver a co-ordinated train service for London and the surrounding region. RM 2A03J14 - Sittingbourne, Kent, UK. Interesting mock up doublearrow on Twitter just posted: What problem is this supposed to be fixing? True. [16] A public vote was held following the announcement.[16]. In 1977 two Class 47 locomotives, 47163 and 47164, were painted by Stratford TMD with silver roofs and other decorations including a full body height Union Flag on each side, in celebration of Queen Elizabeth II's silver jubilee. Now the charge of English nationalism is a tedious, largely Remainer trope that I have dealt with elsewhere. I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard", This idea often seems to pop its head up. It is not necessary to have it on platform signs as if you don't know you are on the railway when you see them there probably isn't much hope for you. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Heh. For Station signage that is supposed to be functional and informative above all else, I don't see too much wrong with this. I would say GWR (single colour) is a far better branding package than Avanti (3 colours). Due to the consequent muddle of liveries, many trains began to get an untidy if not tatty appearance which added to the run-down image of the railway. [14] By 16 March (the deadline for submitting expressions of interest), 42 towns and cities had expressed an interest in hosting GBR's headquarters. Livery Guide Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. the report stated that there would be some update to the double arrow, though not what that update would be. Not everyone has a smartphone and when the PIS is not working, I find it good to know where we've stopped. BRs own history says otherwise. Id like GN non-Moorgate stuff to join Greater Anglia, as they dont fit in LNER imo. At present, train operators get to decorate their rolling stock in their own colours. Wholely agree. White letters on a navy background is the way to go. It would appear that were going to be waiting a while even for the new logo, and that given the recent nature of the franchise liveries, that new liveries are a very long way off. Messages: 1,398. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. It's only as complicated as you want it to be. A nod to the past in the liveries would be nice like with the modern GWR too. Another Class 52, No.D1015 Western Champion was delivered in another, darker yellow/brown colour described as 'Golden Ochre', though somewhat different from that applied to D5579. Whatever its failings and they were multitude branding was one thing British Rail took seriously and was remarkably good at. Great Britain (or just Britain) is the mainland of England, Scotland and Wales. Maybe a "way out" arrow similar to Thameslink's station signage could make it more exciting, while also adding a bit more functionality? The smokebox, running plate, and running gear remained black, and the bufferbeam remained red. I'll give you an opportunity to make up a better more modern scheme then. WMT (operationally separate from LNWR by this point) brand to be used additionally on XC services to Nottingham and Leicester (stopper only). I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. There is surely a case at least for putting the cross-border inter-city services in national colours (perhaps an updated take on Network SouthEast), to match the saltires splashed all over Scotrail trains. Of course it's possible to do better, but I'd argue there are bigger priorities as long as the signage is fit for purpose. The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. It isnt hard to believe that there may be some truth to the suggestion that Johnson would be less cavalier in his treatment of Ulster if it returned even a handful of Government MPs. The text won't be centred vertically with the logo. Great British Railways marks a new era in the history of our railways. When British Rail operations were divided into sectors in the mid-1980s, prior to privatisation, a new version of the Railfreight livery emerged giving the sectors individual identities. How many people list how attractive a train is when you ask them why they decided to go by car or train? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. particularly associated with the depots at Old Oak Common and The UK, Britain, Great Britain, The British Isles, England - what's the difference? It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: . GBR will own all stations and most infrastructure in Great Britain. From 1974, some DMU sets, after being refurbished, were painted white with a wide blue band under the windows and full yellow ends. [8] The review had been launched in September 2018 and was led by Keith Williams. Why are so many cars driven around dirty with the user making no attempt to keep them clean? Every TfW station I've been to are still ATW-branded (in fact, Hereford yesterday). No.90021 in revised Railfreight "triple grey" livery, with Railfreight Distribution sector markings. However, these bodies will be required to coordinate with GBR to deliver a single national rail network, including one website and app, as well as following national branding and passenger standards. I wonder if you could make a hybrid of the two? And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. Home Forums Anyone got a suggestion for the government's latest bright idea today along the same lines, '. The pleasure's all mine. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? All other brands (SE, Southern, Thameslink, SWR, GWR, TfW, Merseyrail, Overground, Crossrail, GA, c2c, Scotrail) remain as they are. The whole GBR thing is complicated as you have ScotRail and TfW already as separate brands that won't change, yet using "Rail England" or whatever is going to provoke outrage where services run by "English" operators go into Scotland and Wales (which rather ignores the same the other way round!). JavaScript is disabled. One thing that might work, though, would be to drop the full text from the red band and just have a subtle double arrow on the right hand side in that. The current lot is an absolute mess. This mock-up was shown in an orange and grey livery, which, however, never appeared on rolling stock in service. [16] As well as rolling stock and multiple units, a number of Class 47 and Class 50 locomotives dedicated to Network SouthEast passenger services were painted in this livery. Read more about them in our, National HQ competition for Great British Railways. GBR will absorb Network Rail, although overall strategic direction on infrastructure investment and fares strategy will remain with government. The BR that believed in having multiple liveries and brands? This may well take time to introduce and rollout but my suggestion is as follows. It'll be operated quite differently. But the point is that effort has gone into developing a brand and what it stands for, it isn't just harking back to the awful 1970s, a time people seem to be seeing with a large pair of rose tinted spectacles. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding of trains and stations carried out under the privatised system, so the branding will be introduced alongside other improvements. 19th September, 2019. Agree, having at least 'intercity', 'regional' and 'metro' would be good. For example, GWRs London to Bristol, Penzance, Cardiff, Oxford etc might be wrapped up with a GBR Express or GBR Intercity, but the GWR commuter/regional services under a different brand name. Not sure but I was also thinking of the winding up arrangements that would've taken place at privatisation i.e. Also on the Eastern Region, Class 55 Deltic locomotives based at Finsbury Park acquired white surrounds to their cab windows. It will become a single familiar brand with a bold new vision for passengers - of punctual services, simpler tickets. Famous in York and up and down the East Coast Main Line, LNER could soon be consigned to history - again, YorkMix understands. Antrim Princess Sealink ferry underway in Larne with Sealink letters. But do we really want to go back to that? Existing leases of stations to devolved transport authorities will continue. Later regional variations included some interesting changes for the Class8P passenger types in particular. Or do you think TfL should change their look away from using the current font simply because it's been that way since the 1930s or whenever? [13] Initially new locos were still painted in the traditional Rail Blue livery, but starting with Class 56 number 56084 the new Large Logo version was standard on new locos delivered to BR. That's what happens when small-minded people look back on a classic that was before their time with a warped sense of populism. Do you think we should use different colours for regions like we sort of have now, https://twitter.com/_doublearrow/status/1455113527954493474/photo/1. [15], Originally scheduled for May 2022,[14] a shortlist consisting Birmingham, Crewe, Derby, Doncaster, Newcastle upon Tyne, and York was announced in July 2022,[16] using the following criteria: alignment with "levelling up" objectives; connected and easy to get to; opportunities for GBR; railway heritage and links to the network; value for money; and public support. 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