If your medical expires, there is nothing to stop you from continuing to fly. Because of the Medical, no physician is my friend and neither are their nurses because they can enter accurate or inaccurate information into your record either one of which will condemn you. How did the terrorists that crashed into the twin towers pass a medical that I failed for COUNSELING??! While my husband sailed through after having lied. Would I report this or any depression on the 8500-8? Throwaway account for obvious reasons. ANY RESPONSE WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED! The AME also cannot read their minds, so he cannot go beyond a reasonable interpretation either to help with these questions. Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical aren't very high. The word EVER in the forms will toss you through a buttload of psychological tests you will be sorry you were ever honest. My 10k already spent, to me was wasted. If successful with testing, you can then make further arguments that you do not have an aeromedically significant medical condition. I have read articles online about pilots who get caught falsifying their medical. The FAA medical certification process starts when you fill out an electronic application in MedXPress. Now a question: Should 80+ year old pilots with type II diabetes, hypertension, a coronary artery stent or two, on 3-4 medications be allowed to fly a 6000# gross weight airplane with 5 passengers up to 14,000 feet, VFR or IFR without having had a medical exam by an AME? At a minimum, the liar can lose flight provileges for good. They yanked my 3rd class one time, because my personal physician mistyped a statement on his annual letter to the FAA. If you didnt say yes then you lied. Of course people lie on the application, they want the medical so they can keep flying. The AME certified you as ok to fly, now the feds second guess him. A highly experienced AME, also a 747/DC-10 Captain for a major airline, once told me that crewmembers lose consciousness in the seat about half a dozen times every year. Flying is no more dangerous than driving when properly trained. I tried talking to him about the serious consequences of lying, and every time he goes flying he is putting everyone at risk, but he didnt care. Im an AME. For what do you have special issuance? So if there is cause, e.g a call to the FAA's hotline, an investigation will occur, and these will be seen and rather quickly. However, the general health standards to meet a drivers license requirement would seem to be a good screening source to id potential problems of health. The big question is whether it matters. The relative numbers of fatalities in all of General Aviation (GA) vs those from other causes. I can understand, in the last 5 years, but most of my things are now 20 years old and I still have to report them-no change. A pilot might reason, for example, that the antidepressant he's taken for months hasn't caused any side effects and actually makes him more mentally fit to fly, a safer pilot. The 3rd class medical crosses the line where freedom is unreasonably denied in the pursuit of absolute safety. That isnt good leadership. AMCD will consider much more than the information you submitted in MedXPress and your AMEs exam findings. What Are the Chances of Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? The FAA medical certification process has at times made me feel that I was in actual hell. I reported controlled hypertension on my questionnaire. I think a regular physical should be required, but the special AME physical in all reality boils down to a tax disguised as safety concern. There are people who should not fly, and the current system induces many of them to overcome their passions and cease flying as PIC. Generally, first-class is designed for the airline transport pilot; second-class for the commercial pilot; and third-class for the student, recreational and private pilot. Now, prostate cancer several years in the past with normal PSAs now is not a hindrance and the AME is instructed to issue the medical certificate. In fact he asked me where did I see that I could make that attachment. My new AME, (old one finally retired,) is a pilot, as is his wife, the office manager and head nurse. Seek help, get punished? They, and AOPA, worked with me to get it corrected. What is 1st 2nd and 3rd class FAA medical? One comment referenced the fact that we dont have to have a medical to operate a car or any other type of transportation vehicle. speaks to mental disorders of any sort. It goes on to give examples of depression, anxiety, etc. The FAA typically expects applicants to also identify at question 18m. They are really convincing and will definitely work. To self certify? Regardless of whether they lie or not, the system seems to be working there seem to be very few (if any) crashes or incidents related to pilot incapacitation that they FAA/NTSB can point to a problem that should have come in a medical. or special licenses for either of those vehicles if they are used recreationally (with the exception of a written test for air brake endorsement, if so equipped). If they find any issues, they will ask for more information. but I was frustrated because a desk bureaucrat figured they knew more about my health than 3 doctors who had recently examined me with aviation in mind.. In the end, it all worked out, but I was frustrated about having to locate records from retired doctors across the country-all because a desk bureaucrat figured they knew more about my health than 3 doctors who had recently examined me with aviation in mind. That may boost your chances of passing the exam or minimizing delays on the FAA's end. Some other government agency gets told another. But WHILE it is a problem for the flier, not after it is treated. Yes I can agree even thought I am a pilot right now I do want to work for the airlines one day so I will need a first class which I currently hold. AOPA and FAA have not really been a lot of help. Perhaps its not actually a lie, maybe just selectively forgetting something. If you were diagnosed with ADHD when you were in school but havent taken medication or experienced symptoms in 15 years, you still are required to answer yes to question 18m. I have been flying with a special issuance 3rd class physical for 15 years. Over forty years I have watched the change from Aryan superman standards to wheelchair/ limbless PPL pilots. I can empathize with that Louis. To stay current, I have been renting/flying 152s and 172s with an instructor, but that is very expensive too (the inclusion of the instructor, that is). We can never win with you, only lose. Seems arbitrary to me. During an FAA medical, a urine test will take place that checks sugars and protein levels. FAA Current Detailed Clinical Progress Notes. Everyone lies technically. As a pilot for over 13 years and now an AME as of this month, I understand your concern. frankly I aint go no reason to lie,,,but anybody else wants to up to them,ur lic at stake..jus hope u dont endanger anybody else..if its serious..ur life at stake alsow/everybody else below youso happy flying w/clear consciousRex. For over 50 years, pilots turned to Richard L. Collins for his unique perspective on the challenges and rewards of flying light aircraft. Thus the FAAs excessive emphasis, on the potential hazards of medical conditions and medications, serves only to reinforce its own bureaucratic authority. The current system not only encourages dishonesty, it encourages pilots to avoid medical treatment and ignore symptoms. He refused to take the physical his business required because his family had a history of heart trouble, he was a bit overweight, etc. The Aviation Medical is the most expensive physical exam I have ever had and also the least thorough medical exam I have ever had. Before submitting your application, you will be required to review the penalties above, certify that you know the FAA will be scrutinizing your medical history, and authorize the National Driver Register to provide the FAA with a copy of your driving record. They generally do not spend a significant amount of time reviewing each one. If you qualify for an FAA medical certificate, they will issue it to you at the end of your appointment, document your exam findings, and transmit your application to the FAA. I can see a medical for commercial operators, just like Bus drivers, but that is all. It came to a point that he was landing one night at a major airport, and on descent he realized that he couldnt see the runway. How about the person that might have some minor anxiety issues? Students and young pilots just want to fly. Would be drowsy at odd times. If it makes you feel any better, the doctors office transposed two numbers in the date of the exam. From open heart surgery and stroke to PTSD and diabetes, it is possible to qualify for an FAA medical certificate with more conditions than most pilots suspect. Office hours M-F 8:30am - 5:00pmOur Privacy That is why the FAA doesnt sanction Mr. Diabetes as Dickie would like. Note, denial is different from deferral. In fact, as I write this, I see over on the corner of my screen a tweet entitled Older pilots are safe pilots. SOO going by the statistic that YOU pointed outof very few incidents and the comments that have been made that alot of piolts tell little white lies to an AME to keep their medical . I have all kinds of things happen to me and I can not possibly put them all down or even remember them. This is nothing but government bureaucracy. @Brian B. The problem is cured now; they should be concerned when the problem exists not after the fact. I avoid medical intervention like the plague. I was always amazed at the high volume the Captains required. This does not mean that the AME should ignore any disqualifying condition that you might have. Im not saying I have a medical cert, but if I did this is what I would do. Some Pilots tend to lie some just do not get medicals. what tests you need, when you need to take these tests, etc) to satisfy the FAA that youre good to go. It is a scam, a make-work project for administrators, and btw, doctors who make a practice of the bulk of business, which is 3rd class. That process will have to be repeated every year. Headwind vs. Tailwind Whats the Difference? FAX your completed Request for Airman Medical Records Form to (405) 954-9326. Does anyone know the statistics of how often a dead pilot at a crash is found to have prescribed medications for a condition that has not been reported on the 8500-8? It doesnt seem to exhibit much intelligence to uselessly act excited after the fact instead of before. He petitioned the FAA to remove his special issuance for that disorder and supplied a letter from his treating physician, and the special issuance requirement went away. Not just surprise test changes from the FAA but the FMCSA again wanting to reduce truck drivers hours of service due to fatigue despite the lack of evidence published on the FMCSAs own web site. Where is the limit to government infringement? Also, if you are too young for that, they can check other insurance companies and, apparently, a company, McKesson I believe, that gathers and compiles statistical data from and for insurance companies. Neither IFA, nor Paul Engstrom assume any responsibility or liability for events that occur due to actions you or others on your behalf take based on the information given in this article. I love flying and if I had to give it up, I know I would feel like part of me, and who I am, has been lost. A. No faxes or emails are allowed. I just wonder why? This is likely true for those receiving social security disability benefits as well, What Happens When the FAA gets Suspicious. So, easing up on the medical requirements would be based on real world situations. You miss the point. So, I can only assume that the FAA will see it so there is no question about having to report it myself. Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical aren't very high. I agreemost pilots at least fail to mention things. The flight will continue without further incident. :-) However, since I do really like flying, it does make one avoid looking too hard for problems. If say 10% are due to medical incapacitation, that would be 45-50 deaths a year. Wiley Post would have never passed a physical. Hell no!!! We have a very good AME in our area. and moved on to checking the no column for the rest of the page. There are hardly any crashes or incidents related to pilot incapacitation and if there were the FAA or NTSB would have expressed grave concerns. Type II diabetes, coronary artery stents, history of myocardial infarction (heart attack), various cancers, and several other diseases are disqualifying, but Special Issuance can be obtained by doing the hoop jumping that the FAA requires, such as providing a statement from your treating physician, listing the medications that you take, do you have any side effects from the medications, do the medications actually work. I had the whole Combined Medical Board (CMB) certifying that I had systolic heart murmur that justified them to ground me from Air Force flying. its the government way. He was convinced if he had the physical and they discovered something bad, hed have to admit it to the AME. From a practical standpoint, it makes the most sense. lie if you want, hell find out. In order to understand how likely it is the FAA would catch you lying, it is important to understand how they would catch you. Thats a great question, Ben. AFAIK the FAA considers ADHD medications a serious issue. Thank you for allowing me to share. I used to go up about twice a week; now I havent flown since August. Pilots lying on the there 1st 2nd and 3rd class medicals happens all the time, and it happens just as much as people going to MEPS for the Military. Good Luck. Boating accident deaths 750 I think that FAA should be concerned about this difficulty in people. Hmm cant spell worth a darn mostly dumb fingers will that get me rejected??? to get it straightened out. One is. Two of the pilots I know of with these problems have Class 1 Medical Certificates. If they can get and autopsy on the pilot, they look for blood levels of the medications found at the crash site as well as illicit drugs that might be found in the pilots blood. But with such a vague statement, you can see why many pilots may unintentionally get themselves into trouble. What Are the Chances of Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? He landed safely, but it was his last flight. In this age of fax machines, email, twitter, facebook, linked in, etc, it is obvious that the FAA is stuck in the past. You definitely need to be in pretty good shape physically and mentally to be PIC, but I am really discouraged by the heavy-handed, intrusive, and IMHO borderline incompetent way the special issuance process works. Once set up by politicians, these agencies rule by fiat, for which there is no recourse. I can only speak from my personal experience as a pilot with a special issuance medical. He issued my medical with a waiver. I asked him why I had to jump through all these hoops if I could get a waiver. Make a copy of the original and keep that in a safe place. I was so desperate to lower the volume that I installed a volume control in my own headset so I would not be blasted out of my seat. The FAA revised 61.53 to include under this prohibition sport pilots who use a current and valid U.S. drivers license as medical qualification.. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. Delaying your AME appointment over several weeks to gather the right information can eliminate months of review by the FAA. I hope the FAA box didnt kill more. The FAA gives final denial to only 0.01% of applications. Mike F, I agree, Im probably taking the same medication, also works for IBS. Its not a profession which that college students wake up and decide they want to fly a plane. Also my flight instructor was telling me that he knew an applicant who lied about his criminal history for shoplifting and two to three months later the FAA found out and pulled his medical currently and he did not hear back for any clearance to fly again so these are great examples why not lie. Moreover, there are strategies that will improve your chances of gaining medical certification legally and more quickly even if health is an issue. I have thought about going Sport Pilot but if I am not healthy enough to pass tests for a 3rd class physical I am not healthy enough to fly sport pilot. Its just not opening an unnecessary can of worms. see you in the cockpit!! You are proceeding at your own risk. Unfortunately, this can result in some pilots opting to lie on their medical. hej Jim, you couldnt describe better the current situation: from Aryan superman to weelchair pilot. Holy hell! Again, take a look at the AME Guide on the FAA website. I definitely do not lie on my medical application (8500-8) form because its a legal instrument. I am in full support of the exemption and hope you will support it too; after all, it has worked for the Sport program and it seems it will work for you! Im not trying to be deceitful, but I really want to be prepared for this interview and I dont see the importance of something that wont effect flying. Thats just BS. Im another one that was originally honest and regrets it. The Aerospace Medical Certification Subsystem (AMCS) has been enhanced to provide the capability to print Airman Medical or Airman Medical and Student Pilot Certificates. But sharing them with the FAA is detrimental to your health. I started flying and was completely awe-stricken. In our experience, only a small minority of pilots actually try to maliciously conceal significant active medical problems. All other patients was sick, so sick but pilots healthy, so healthy. your PIC in the Cockpit might have the most serious medical condition, but will never no it thats why the federal government made the HIPPA law. I dont know for a fact other pilots lie on their medical, but pretty sure some I know do. How long is a 2nd class medical good for over 40? No problem there both were on the approved list (most are). I do believe all of the ideas youve presented for your post. But here is where the absurdity of this over zealous pursuit of perfect safety is to be seen: Parasailing. Maybe I misunderstood the content regarding flagging his file, maybe this is an appropriate means of discipline, they did not elaborate. Is being illiterate a bar to being a pilot conquer? you say he flys solo whats it to you, Gee I fell out of bead a week ago and wacked my head I wonder if I should tell the FAA. Get thorough guidance on how to proceed. The airman who never was on medication for depression and certinatly never had a hospitible addmitance was now having to prove a negative. Why would you need to report that? All FAA medical certificate applicants are required to acknowledge that warning before submitting their application in MedXPress. I fly for a living. According to Dr. Guillermo J. Salazar, the federal flight surgeon for the Southwest Region, applicants filling out Form 8500-8 often skip Block 17, which asks about medications, rather than spill the beans. You want to make it more difficult? I take my family on flights in my aircraft and there is no way I am going to put them at risk. Any deviation from general standards of health found would/should require a more intense examination/(s.). Do you need a medical to operate a large motor home, car, boat, sand dune buggy, tractor, motorcycle, etc, etc. Im still going to try to jump through the medical hoops because I love to fly. I Fly America 2021, Paul Engstrom, Aviation Writer and IFA Member, Health for Pilots: A Complete Guide to FAA Medical Certification and Self-Care. The big question is, though, whether it matters. Did you answer Yes on the question and get you special issue? But, I dont think my level of forthcoming on the application was typical. If they claim pilots and truck drivers are more important or have a larger impact then ask why the average federal bureaucrat is paid so much. (No misprint.) We have an entrenched bureaucracy that refuses to relinquish power and money. Contact an aviation medical examiner (AME) early if you have doubts or questions. They, and AOPA, worked with me to get it corrected. I do not expect it to change in my life time. Robert Davis Travel Management Consultant, 2023 Executive Flyers +1 (512) 241-0795. Some pilots are terrified of the FAA's power to revoke their flying privileges and, accordingly, bend or ignore the rules. So do we really want 10+% of our commercial pilots to be flying with untreated major depressive disorders? What will actually happen if you are caught lying? then are able to re-apply. Required fields are marked *. Your family and friends consider you more important than any flying you may do. Lie and get caught, you will lose your ticket, get fined, and possibly go to jail. According to Pilot Self-Grounding Requirements (CFR 61.53), pilots have the duty to ground themselves and report to the FAA any changes in their medical condition before they are able to fly again. And two complete submittals of blood tests. Skye, you may be a little over the top with your attitude but not by all that much. That would include most of the trainers (Cessna 120, 140, 150, 152, Piper Tomahawk, etc.) Its mode of travel, the air, makes it a lot more divertable than stuck to a road, and should make it safer, Especially as opposed to the majority of motor home drivers, that are in their later stages of life, howling down the freeway at 70 miles per hour in bumper to bumper traffic. The FAA medical process makes it nearly impossible to comply with completely. Like driving big trucks and boats have no such pseudo-medical crap. His career was essentially over with that arrest and he killed himself because of it. Certification of employees to preform tasks, medical and eye examinations are normal in the Aerospace industry. I am working with a private party who specializes in this sort of thing and he cant really give me definitive answers either; just educated opinion and guidance. I'm a pilot, and an air traffic controller. See my other comment about getting a SODA. ASMEL, CFII, AME, Hi, Im currently a student pilot I finally saved up the money to go after my dream. After 7 years and three more third class medicals-the FAA medical office suddenly decided I had 30 days to provide all the records from a condition I had 20 years ago, or have my medical suspended. Good guy, good doc, been at it a long time, Im healthy and got my 3rd class. Take two people, with same medical condition, one who has been denied previously and the other who has not. Back when I was an F/O we flew in airplanes with single head radios. There shouldnt be different standards for flying than are for driving. Governmental overkill? A related question would be do people fly without a medical illegally? This is very disturbing to say the least, why bother imposing rules, laws or the like if there is no punishment implemented??? Others accept what the agency is trying to do'protect everyone's best interests'and play by its less-than-perfect rules. Otherwise I tend to be so healthy that I simply wouldnt ever go to the doctor. He memorized the color chart. you disclose something that warrants further information or investigation, or something happens to you like an accident, incident, or disciplinary action which the FAA will then thoroughly investigate. We are equally desiring of our freedom, but because we are a small group, the bureaucracy can get away with it. If the FAA finds out that you failed to disclose something that you should have disclosed, not only does it mean that you can lose your license, but you may also face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. In our opinion, and even for a moment disregarding the morality of lying and putting yourself, your passengers, and anyone elses safety at risk, it simply isnt worth lying despite the low chances of getting caught. in detail and conduct a physical exam. Ruin a life a move on. What I think is if a driver goes to the DMV to go get his eyes checked then that drivers license should be his medical as his third class and it would save the government money because there wouldnt be as many pilots to go after it would just be the professionals. If you do have heart disease, you would have to continue to see your Cardiologist as well as your AME to maintain your medical. While I share our concern about pilots going unconscious in flight, I have as much concern about FAA going unconscious while on the job. But the feds harass pilots, not drivers, because they can get away with it with pilots but not with drivers. This is done by directly contacting you the pilot. Therefore, I lied. Great guy, but he needlessly put a lot of peoples lives in danger. Consider the following tabulations on the number of deaths per year in various activities: Motorcycle deaths 4500 Specifically, those questions are question 17 (the question about current use of medications), question 18m (the question about mental disorders of any sort), and question 19 (the question about visits to healthcare professionals in the past 3 years). When a government becomes oppressive, intransigent, and unreasonable, allowing no recourse beyond its edicts, eventually people react. After 30 years without a problem, one would think the risk of incapacitation is no greater than the general pilot population flying on a normal class III medical. I am going to start a letter campaign to ask the people who can make this happen (our elected officials), to get behind it and make it happen quickly. I could not stop thinking about being in the air. No mercy from the FAA and I was not even allowed to go to a hearing I just got the notice of revocation one day and that was it. AMCD will consider much more than the information you submitted in MedXPress and your AMEs exam findings. It's safer to allow people to self-disclose and get help, rather than non-disclosure and possibly flying impaired. The 1320 pound (600 Kg) limit is based on the European standard, I think. I think the medical is about to date as traveling by the hose & buggy. The responsibility for a safe flight in my aircraft is mine not the AMES, and most certainly not the FAAs. No further action by AWP-300. Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical arent very high. I really want to fly but Im not sure my passion, not to mention my wallet, will be enough to get me through this process. Last summer I went to get my 3rd class med. Perfect safety is impossible, and an excessive attempt to achieve it will conflict with freedom. I believe you are mis-informed; as long as I hold a once valid third class medical and a valid drivers license, and have not had a third class medical that disqualified me since that qualifying medical exam, Im eligible to fy Sport!I refer you to the following links: http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/medical_certification/sportpilots/response2/, http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/medical_certification/sportpilots/, This is a common misunderstanding. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. Most women get frequent headaches-about once a month, and heaven forbid but we do go to the doctor and get X-rays and tests once or twice a year. Why? Unfortunate as those events are, they do NOT cause accidents. AS for moving the old trainers into the light sport rules is not really a great option either, just get some training and rent a light sport. I hope the AOPA and the EAA will also move quickly, and I want to thank both organizations for this effort. 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